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		<title>By: Fantasy Vietnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fantasy Vietnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 19:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Old School, New HistoriesA renaissance in old school gaming has brought with it a welcome interest in the history of RPGs. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes and yes. That&#039;s a terrific point about the GI Bill and men with military experience on college campuses. And yeah, Vietnam: 1965-1975  is the game I remember. A friend had the big hex map up on his bedroom wall in high school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes and yes. That&#8217;s a terrific point about the GI Bill and men with military experience on college campuses. And yeah, Vietnam: 1965-1975  is the game I remember. A friend had the big hex map up on his bedroom wall in high school.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot Wilen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliot Wilen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although come to think of it, AH did publish &quot;Platoon&quot; under their own logo, in 1986. (Victory Games was a semi-independent subsidiary made up of SPI exiles.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although come to think of it, AH did publish &#8220;Platoon&#8221; under their own logo, in 1986. (Victory Games was a semi-independent subsidiary made up of SPI exiles.)</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot Wilen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliot Wilen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the history of gaming doesn&#039;t talk much about the war.

On a related issue, I don&#039;t think enough is made of the impact of the ongoing draft in the 50&#039;s &amp; 60&#039;s combined with the GI Bill. Effect: many educated young men with military experience clustered on college campuses. Jim Dunnigan and David Weseley were part of this phenomenon (more or less, I don&#039;t recall their exact personal histories).

About the &quot;AH&quot; game I think you&#039;re referring to the one by Victory Games, Vietnam: 1965-1975, published in 1984.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the history of gaming doesn&#8217;t talk much about the war.</p>
<p>On a related issue, I don&#8217;t think enough is made of the impact of the ongoing draft in the 50&#8242;s &amp; 60&#8242;s combined with the GI Bill. Effect: many educated young men with military experience clustered on college campuses. Jim Dunnigan and David Weseley were part of this phenomenon (more or less, I don&#8217;t recall their exact personal histories).</p>
<p>About the &#8220;AH&#8221; game I think you&#8217;re referring to the one by Victory Games, Vietnam: 1965-1975, published in 1984.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.robmacdougall.org/blog/2009/04/old-school-new-histories/#comment-1151</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Elliot. Good to hear from you. Totally understood about non-gaming aspects of life.  I&#039;m in the eye of the storm between end of term and birth of baby but that will change any day.

I remember Recon well - I owned and played it. I also played the big Avalon Hill (I think?) wargame of Vietnam. As I find counterexamples I&#039;m already backing away from my original idea about there being a &quot;silence&quot; around Vietnam, but what I meant was not that there were no games about Vietnam, but rather that &lt;i&gt;the history of gaming&lt;/i&gt; almost never talks about the war. Which I think is a little odd for a hobby populated so much by U.S. military, college students,  and draft-age young men during the Vietnam years.

Not to mention the importance of gaming and simulation techniques to the conduct of the war itself. In the halls of power, Vietnam was likely the most &quot;gamed&quot; war ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Elliot. Good to hear from you. Totally understood about non-gaming aspects of life.  I&#8217;m in the eye of the storm between end of term and birth of baby but that will change any day.</p>
<p>I remember Recon well &#8211; I owned and played it. I also played the big Avalon Hill (I think?) wargame of Vietnam. As I find counterexamples I&#8217;m already backing away from my original idea about there being a &#8220;silence&#8221; around Vietnam, but what I meant was not that there were no games about Vietnam, but rather that <i>the history of gaming</i> almost never talks about the war. Which I think is a little odd for a hobby populated so much by U.S. military, college students,  and draft-age young men during the Vietnam years.</p>
<p>Not to mention the importance of gaming and simulation techniques to the conduct of the war itself. In the halls of power, Vietnam was likely the most &#8220;gamed&#8221; war ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot Wilen</title>
		<link>http://www.robmacdougall.org/blog/2009/04/old-school-new-histories/#comment-1150</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot Wilen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Rob. I just came across this--I&#039;ve been very busy with non-gaming aspects of life for a while. Also, a completely technological effect: much of my web-reading has switched from computer to iPod, which means that posting is a much greater effort than it used to be.

Anyway, I&#039;m looking forward to your next piece but your phrase &quot; silence in the history of roleplaying games around the war in Vietnam&quot; has me wondering what this will be. Have you heard of Palladium&#039;s Recon? The original, pre-Palladium version was published in 1982--around the close of the period when RPGs, wargames, and other &quot;unconventional brainy games&quot; (such as Cosmic Encounter) were all pretty much a single hobby--and games could straddle what would later be fairly fixed boundaries. Wargames did deal with Vietnam, and even earlier I might add. A quick search of boardgamegeek turns up a Gamescience game published in 1965 (!), and two early SPI games, Grunt and Year of the Rat, in the early &#039;70s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Rob. I just came across this&#8211;I&#8217;ve been very busy with non-gaming aspects of life for a while. Also, a completely technological effect: much of my web-reading has switched from computer to iPod, which means that posting is a much greater effort than it used to be.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m looking forward to your next piece but your phrase &#8221; silence in the history of roleplaying games around the war in Vietnam&#8221; has me wondering what this will be. Have you heard of Palladium&#8217;s Recon? The original, pre-Palladium version was published in 1982&#8211;around the close of the period when RPGs, wargames, and other &#8220;unconventional brainy games&#8221; (such as Cosmic Encounter) were all pretty much a single hobby&#8211;and games could straddle what would later be fairly fixed boundaries. Wargames did deal with Vietnam, and even earlier I might add. A quick search of boardgamegeek turns up a Gamescience game published in 1965 (!), and two early SPI games, Grunt and Year of the Rat, in the early &#8217;70s.</p>
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